Working out position size
Risk per trade as a fixed number of dollars
The money you are willing to lose on one trade is a figure you decide before you look at the chart. It is written in dollars, not in lots and not in pips, because dollars are what leave the account. A common starting point for a small account is one per cent of its value, but the figure that matters is the one you can repeat on a bad week without changing it. If A$30 is your number, it stays A$30 whether the setup looks strong or weak.
A fixed dollar figure keeps the arithmetic honest. When risk is set as a percentage, a losing run shrinks the account and the next risk figure shrinks with it, which slows the damage without hiding it. When risk is set as a feeling, the figure grows after a win and grows again after a loss you want to recover, and neither move is written down anywhere. Writing the number down before the trade removes that choice.
The stop distance is the second number, and it comes from the chart rather than from your account. On AUD/USD around 0.6640, a stop placed 20 pips away is a decision about where the trade idea is wrong, not about how much you want to win. The two numbers are independent: the chart sets the distance, and you set the dollars. Only the lot size is left to be calculated, and that is the point of the order.
Pip value when the pair is not your own currency
A pip on AUD/USD is a move in the fourth decimal place, so a change from 0.6640 to 0.6641 is one pip. Pip value is what that one pip is worth in the currency your account is held in. For a standard lot of 100,000 units, the usual figure quoted is about A$10 per pip, and that figure is the one used in the worked examples on this page. It is a starting point, not a constant.
The figure varies because your account currency may not be the quote currency of the pair. AUD/USD is quoted in United States dollars, so a profit or loss is first calculated in those dollars and then converted into Australian dollars at the rate in force. That conversion moves, so the pip value moves with it, by a small amount on most days. Your platform or your broker's contract specifications will show the value it is using right now, and that is the number to trust.
Commission and spread sit on top of the pip value and are not part of it. A broker that charges a commission per lot has a different total cost from one that builds the cost into a wider spread, and the two cannot be compared by pip value alone. This is one reason the same trade can cost different amounts at different brokers. Check the published contract specifications for the instrument rather than assuming the A$10 figure applies to your account.
What to do when the answer is too small to place
Sometimes the division gives a lot size below the smallest amount the platform will accept. Many platforms trade in steps of 0.01 lots, so 0.15 lots is placeable but 0.004 lots is not. When the answer falls under the minimum, the trade is larger than your risk plan allows at that stop distance. The correct action is to leave it, not to round the size up and not to move the stop closer to make the arithmetic fit.
There are only two honest ways to make a trade fit, and both change the trade rather than the rule. You can widen the stop and accept that the position must be smaller, or you can wait for a setup where the distance to the stop is tighter relative to the opportunity. What you cannot do is keep the stop where it is and open a size the platform allows, because that is the reversed order described earlier, arriving by a different route.
Skipping a trade costs nothing and leaves the account unchanged. Taking a trade at twice the intended risk costs real money and teaches nothing about whether the idea was good, because the result is dominated by the size rather than the analysis. Over a year, the trades you decline are as much a part of the plan as the ones you take. A plan that cannot be followed on a quiet day is not yet a plan.
A$20 of risk over 25 pips on AUD/USD
| Step | Amount | Note |
|---|---|---|
| Risk in money | A$20 | This is the amount you have decided you can lose on this one trade. It comes from your own plan, not from the market. |
| Stop distance | 25 pips | The distance from your entry price to your stop price. On AUD/USD, one pip is 0.0001, so 25 pips is 0.0025. |
| Pip value per standard lot | A$10 | One pip on one standard lot of AUD/USD is 10 units of the quote currency. At an AUD/USD rate near 0.6640, that converts to about A$10 per pip. The exact figure moves with the rate and varies between brokers. |
| Position size | 0.08 lots | A$20 divided by 25 pips gives A$0.80 per pip. A$0.80 divided by A$10 per pip gives 0.08 lots. |
Your broker may round the lot size to the nearest 0.01 lots, and the pip value it shows may differ slightly because of the conversion rate and any commission or spread charged on top. Check the contract specifications your broker publishes.
Doing it once, step by step
Work through the three numbers in order, using the figures from your own account and chart, and let the lot size be the last thing you calculate. Do this once on paper before you place anything.
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Write down the risk in dollars
Decide the amount you are willing to lose on this one trade and write it as a dollar figure, such as A$30. Do not express it in lots or in pips at this stage. Keep the same figure for every trade until you deliberately change your plan.
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Measure the stop distance in pips
Mark on the chart where the trade idea would be wrong and count the pips from your entry to that level. On AUD/USD, one pip is the fourth decimal place, so 0.6640 to 0.6620 is 20 pips. Use the chart's own distance rather than a round number you prefer.
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Find the pip value for your size
Look up what one pip is worth in Australian dollars for the instrument you are trading. For a standard lot of AUD/USD the usual figure is about A$10, but your broker's contract specifications are the authority. Note any commission or spread charged on top.
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Divide the risk by the stop distance
Divide the dollar risk by the number of pips. A$30 divided by 20 pips gives A$1.50 per pip. This is the value one pip may carry for this trade, given the distance you chose.
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Divide again by the pip value
Divide that per-pip figure by the pip value of one standard lot. A$1.50 divided by A$10 gives 0.15 lots. That is the position size, and it is the answer rather than a starting point.
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Check the size against the platform minimum
If the result is below the smallest step your platform allows, such as 0.01 lots, do not round it up. Either the stop distance or the trade itself has to change. Leaving the trade is a valid outcome of the calculation.
The mistake most people make here
The common mistake is to pick a lot size first, because it looks like a round number, and then place the stop wherever it fits. That reverses the order. A 0.50 lot position with a 25 pip stop on AUD/USD risks about A$125, not A$20, and six losses in a row would take most of a small account. Work out the stop distance and the pip value first, then let the lot size be the answer. If the answer is smaller than your platform allows, the trade is too large for your plan, and the correct action is to skip it.Check yourself
You risk A$30 on a trade with a 20 pip stop on AUD/USD, and one pip is worth A$10 per standard lot. What position size does that give?
A$30 divided by 20 pips is A$1.50 per pip. A$1.50 divided by A$10 per pip is 0.15 lots.
You open 0.10 lots on AUD/USD with a 30 pip stop, and one pip is worth A$10 per standard lot. How much money is at risk?
0.10 lots is one tenth of a standard lot, so one pip is worth A$1. 30 pips multiplied by A$1 is A$30.
Questions that come up next
What if my platform will not let me open the lot size I calculated
Most platforms set a minimum trade size, often 0.01 lots, and they may round your figure to the nearest step they allow. If your calculation comes out below that minimum, the trade is larger than your risk plan permits. The correct action is to skip the trade rather than round up. You can also look for a wider stop, which lowers the lot size, but only if the chart still supports it. Never increase the risk in dollars just to make the lot size fit.
Does the order of the three numbers change the answer
No, but it changes whether you get an answer at all. The order is risk in dollars, then stop distance in pips, then pip value. Divide the first by the second, then by the third. If you start with a lot size instead, you are guessing at the answer and then fitting the risk around it. The arithmetic is the same either way, but only one order keeps the risk figure fixed.
How do I find the pip value my broker is using
Your platform usually shows it beside the order ticket, and your broker publishes contract specifications on its website. That published figure is the one to use in your calculation. It may differ slightly from the A$10 per standard lot used in the examples because of the conversion rate from United States dollars to Australian dollars. Commission and spread are charged on top and are not part of pip value. Check the specifications each time you trade a pair you have not traded recently.
What if the stop distance is very small
A small stop distance makes the position size larger for the same risk in dollars. That is arithmetic, not a signal. A 5 pip stop on AUD/USD with A$30 of risk gives A$6 per pip, which is 0.60 lots. That position is six times larger than one with a 30 pip stop. Small stops are not safer. They simply move the same risk into a larger position, where a small adverse move can trigger the stop quickly.
Can I use the same position size for every trade
Only if the stop distance and the pip value are the same every time, which they rarely are. The chart sets the stop distance, and it changes from trade to trade. The pip value changes with the conversion rate. If you keep the lot size fixed, your risk in dollars changes with every trade. That is the mistake the order is designed to prevent. Work out the three numbers each time.
What does a stop distance of 20 pips mean in dollars
It means nothing until you know the position size. The stop distance is only half of the risk calculation. On AUD/USD, a 20 pip stop with 0.15 lots risks about A$30, because one pip is worth A$1.50 at that size. The same 20 pip stop with 0.50 lots risks about A$100. The distance is fixed by the chart, but the dollars at risk are set by the lot size you calculate.
The words used on this page
- Lot
- A standard lot is 100,000 units of the base currency. A mini lot is 10,000 units, and a micro lot is 1,000 units. Position size is written in lots.
- Pip
- A pip is a move in the fourth decimal place for most currency pairs. On AUD/USD, a change from 0.6640 to 0.6641 is one pip.
- Pip value
- The money one pip is worth for the position you hold, in your account currency. It depends on the lot size and the conversion rate between the quote currency and your account currency.
- Stop distance
- The number of pips between your entry price and your stop loss order. It is set by the chart, not by the amount you want to risk.
- Risk per trade
- The amount of money you are willing to lose on one trade, written in dollars before you open it. It stays the same whether the setup looks strong or weak.
- Contract specifications
- The document your broker publishes that lists the pip value, minimum trade size, and costs for each instrument. It is the source to check when your calculation and the platform disagree.
What to take away
- Risk in dollars, divided by stop distance in pips, divided by pip value, gives the lot size. That is the whole calculation.
- The chart sets the stop distance. You set the dollars. The lot size is the answer, never the starting point.
- If the answer is smaller than your platform allows, the trade is too large for your plan. Skip it rather than round up.
- Pip value varies between brokers and over time. Use the figure your broker publishes, not a fixed number.